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Is ProFlightSimulator.com a SCAM??

I’ve received a bunch of info from ProFlightSimulator.com saying they’re a new 64 bit program. Then I go to the review pages on the internet and several people are saying it’s a scam and old old software. Does anyone have a definitive answer??

As Nels pointed out less than a month ago, definitely a scam !

As Nels pointed out less than a month ago, definitely a scam !

THANKS SO MUCH. I was sure if I asked people I trust I’d get an honest and correct answer!!

This is probably a scam which involves a free flight simulator called Flightgear. In 2020 I bought something for around the GBP £70.00 mark with a similar title to this which turned out to be Flightgear. I tried to get my money back but ended up losing out due to some loophole or another. Being nearly five years ago my memory of exactly what happened is sketchy with the exception of names and this all definitely turning out to be a ROYAL rip-off. Suggest you avoid on that basis. Best Regards

Definitely a scam.

This “new” flight simulator has been marketed under different names, including ProFlightSimulator 2020, Virtual Pilot 3D, Flight Simulator 2020, and even Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 (it has no affiliation with Microsoft).

The “creators” of these simulators shown on the different websites are just stock photos. I cannot post an image on here, but I here are the links to each site and its “creator’s” stock photo.

proflightsimulator.com or proflightsimulatorx.com (Dan Freeman) https://www.tineye.com/search/68c77b. f6d90030ed867/ (I couldn’t find the photo on the stock website because they have so many, so that’s the reverse image search link)

The other two are no longer available.

There are also many fake (or uneducated) reviews online saying that it’s an awesome simulator, which is not exactly a lie but is misleading. FlightGear is a good game, and being a copy of it, PFS is also a decent game. But it’s NOT worth $97! You can get it for FREE at flightgear.org. Also, it is quite obvious with video titles like “this is proflightsimulator review from real user” that they are fake.

The following paragraphs are about my experience with PFS, as I was tricked into believing the software was worth the money.

I bought PFS and it is just a copy of an old FlightGear version. The only difference is the launcher is different and some of the places the program would usually say “FlightGear,” it says “ProFlightSimulator.” However, most of the time it still says “FlightGear,” especially if you get into the more advanced menus of the program.

Technically it is legal for them to sell this copy of FG because FG is an open-source program, which means that anyone can get it for free and anyone can download the program’s code, redistribute it, etc. They basically just ran the FG code through find-and-replace software to replace “FlightGear” with “ProFlightSimulator.”

PFS’s website says it comes with “120+ aircraft” – but the only ones that are even DECENT are the default ones (Cessna 172P and B777-200ER). Many of the planes are nothing but hollow shells that you can only fly with the shortcut keys, as there is no cockpit and thus no learning experience. Another chunk of them aren’t even the same planes as advertised. (Example: the Antonov An-225 is replaced by the An-22, if I remember correctly). The “+” means that after the 120 aircraft they have, they added miscellaneous garbage that they found on the FlightGear forum, like this dumb car thing). There are even some aircraft that are just a GRAPHIC of themselves that do not even fly. It is very laggy on a computer that exceeds the software requirements.

In addition to all this, the site says it offers tutorials “for every aircraft.” This is BLATANTLY false, it only comes with tutorials for the planes that had them originally in FlightGear. It says it has video tutorials, and I will have to look into that, but as far as in-game goes, good luck finding any help.

Now, considering PFS is a copy of FlightGear, you must be thinking, “well, at least if you bought it, you could use any aircraft for FlightGear,” but NO. Most well-developed airplanes from FG (such as the B777s) are downloaded in a single .zip file that contains multiple aircraft (like a pack). The PFS launcher isn’t able to handle installs of multiple aircraft from a single file. Even some that do NOT come in packs will crash the game before it loads.

The graphics are worse than FG because, so far as I’ve seen, PFS is based on a previous version of FG. The default aircraft are different as well, making it hard to find tutorials on them. The default aircraft for FG are very well-covered on YouTube as far as tutorials go.

I don’t know about others, but for me, my computer REFUSES to download scenery files (which have to be installed individually, in chunks of the world) in .tgz format, which is a compressed .tar file. It will only download the file as .tar, which will not install to PFS. (This is another difference between PFS and FG – FG scenery is in .zip files, not .tgz files.) The files are almost all over 100MB, which is the maximum limit for essentially all online file converters, after which you have to pay to convert files. The files that are small enough to be converted don’t work even after you convert them.

The support team is of no help. They say, “We are referring this to level 2 support, please wait for 2-3 days for a reply” but never answer after that, especially if it is a question based on the similarity between their program and FG).

Here is a copy of my email to them, before I had purchased the program and when I was wondering if it was the same as FG, as many people had said but had yet to be confirmed:

“Hello guys. I was checking out your site and I would definitely be willing to pay for a simulator that lives up to these expectations. However, I go to YouTube for some reviews and most of the stuff that comes up is people saying you guys just copied the code of FlightGear (a free simulator) and added slightly better graphics. I would like a straight answer, because it’s not right for you to be hustling people (many say you are). I’m worried that my $97 could be wasted on a ripoff, but please prove me wrong!
Thanks.”

And their reply:

“FlightGear is a great game in its own right but ProFlightSimulator is better in several aspects.

– We have over 120+ aircrafts to choose from and our database is growing. ( we add planes on a regular basis and you can get them for free as a member)

– We have the entire world scenery to explore. Our monthly updates includes updated real-life objects and landscapes to fully enhance realism.

– Members have lifetime access to all updates. There is no hidden or recurring costs.

– We are constantly developing the game to make it better with new features all the time. Microsoft is much slower in producing updates as they are a large company. As a smaller outfit and a tighter development unit, we are much more responsive and committed to make this the BEST flight simulator.”

This is almost a direct copy of an answer from the FAQ, where they were saying “Why we [they] are better than Microsoft FSX or any other flight sims!” – they just substituted “FlightGear” for “FSX, “shown below:

“Microsoft Flight Sim X is a great game in its own right but ProFlightSimulator is better in several aspects.

– We have currently over 150+ aircrafts to choose from and our database is growing. (we add planes on a monthly basis and you can get them for free as a member)

– We have the entire world scenery to explore. Our monthly updates includes updated real-life objects and landscapes to fully enhance realism. No other flight sim in the market provide updates as fast or as accurate as we do.

We have a paid team of full-time scenery developers working 24/7 to model real landscapes and objects based on Google Maps.

– Also, unlike other flight sim games, there are no add-on costs or hidden costs. Members have lifetime access to all new aircraft and new scenery packs. There is also FREE program updates for 5 years. Unlike our competitors who “force” you to purchase new software every year, you’ll get 5 years of main program upgrades for free.

– We are constantly developing the game to make it better with new features all the time. Microsoft is much slower in producing updates as they are a large company. As a smaller outfit and a tighter development unit, we are much more responsive and committed to make this the BEST flight simulator.”

In conclusion, DO NOT, and I repeat, DO NOT even THINK for ONE SECOND about paying $97 for a crappy version of a game yoh can get in much better quality for FREE.

And trust me, I am not trying to just hate on the program because I don’t like it. It’s because it truly IS a scam and nobody deserves to be tricked like this.

I am going to make a video of myself using PFS to show how it is a copy of FG, because there are currently no user-made (not company-made) gameplay videos of PFS on YouTube. When it is uploaded it can be found here: https://m.youtube.com/c/lordmaliscence

I am also planning to file a case against them with the Better Business Bureau, because though the selling of open-source software is legal, much of their false advertising is not.

Globehunters WARNING: avoid this scam. – Air Travel Forum

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We fell for their cheaper fare on a one-stop flight from SFO to Europe without checking the reviews first. Their agent answered the phone promptly and seemed knowledgeable. Paid and received booking within 24h which we verified with airline. So far so good.

1. Airline changed departure time so we can’t make the connection on the outbound flight. We found out about this only by chance because my wife called the airline to ask about luggage and seating the family together. Airline sent note to “travel agent” of the ticket, but Globehunters never informed us. Airline says the travel agent just need to send a request to rebook and they will pay for it since it’s due to their change.

2. Have been calling Globehunters for about three weeks trying to resolve this (travel is in three weeks!). THEY CONTINUOUSLY LIE saying that we will receive an email in 24-48 hours. This never happens.

3. After much complaining and back-and-forth, we found out that Globehunters got the tickets from a bulk purchaser, whose name they won’t reveal and who apparently cannot be reached by phone. So they claim they sent the request to rebook to the bulk purchaser, but it never acts. Maybe because there is some penalty involved. Whatever the reason, we think that this isn’t our problem and Globehunters should own up and resolve this for us in a timely matter. We are traveling with small kids and we care about getting a good flight. That’s why we carefully selected our flight and booked so long in advance.

4. Any suggestions on what to do now? We could perhaps ask the credit card for a charge-back, but then we would have to rebook now at a much higher price. Airline says that they can only intervene if this situation is not resolved 48h prior to travel date. We are afraid that at that time our second choice flight (Star alliance) may be fully booked.

Flight Gear vs Flight Pro Simulator vs FSX

#1 Chuck_Owl

I’m looking for a civilian aircraft simulator. I’ve been looking up on the internet a bit to know what’s currently on the market, and I have stumbled into 3 games.

Flight Gear, Flight Pro Simulator (which is a “scam”, as people put it, a ripoff of Flight Gear), and Microsoft Flight Simulator X.

I don’t mind spending a few bucks for a high quality product, but I want to make my research first. So I thought I’d ask for advice to you grizzled vets of the sim world. I read SO MANY ridiculously positive reviews for Flight Pro Simulator, which made me immediately suspicious. Indeed, I discovered that most review sites gain a “share” if people buy the sim on their site. So for objectivity, I don’t know who to trust anymore. I know lots of people recommend FSX because it’s free (but you can buy some planes if I heard correctly), but meh… graphics are not as pretty as those in Rise of Flight IMHO. Is there anything better on the market? I have DCS A-10C (thinking about Black Shark, but I might not have enough time), Rise of Flight, Il-2 Sturmovik ’46 and Cliffs of Dover (it’s pretty much unflyable in its current state, hopefully the upcoming patch will fix that soon).

For Flight Pro Sim, graphics look nice (with the Full Scenery pack that is) and it’s currently on sale (67 bucks instead of 167 on their site). But is it a scam? Is it a real game that’s worth the money? I don’t know… So that’s why I’d like to ask for your input and experienced advice on that one.

#2 BADMUTHA

#3 Chuck_Owl

My bad, I mixed it up. MS Flight is free-to-play, not FSX.

Edit: Cliffs is unflyable on mid-range machines like mine (Dell XPS 17 X2). I can run DCS products just fine at high settings, RoF just fine too, Il-2 ’46 without a hitch…

Other games like Crysis 2 or BF3 run well too. But it’s not a “high-end machine”.

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#4 O_Taipan

Still largest community and therefore largest addons to choose from.

Digital aviation also made the Dornier Do-27 and it’s a little older but still very detailed.

For scenery nothing compares to ORBX if you want North America or Australia/NZ.
40% off for this month at flightsimstore.com

If you want to spend months learning to be the Captain or a 737, 747, MD-11, or 777(soon) then buying one of these planes from PMDG is like buying a study sim in its own right.

If you want the sequel to FSX, then Lockheed have released the first version of Prepar3d. Most will migrate to it eventually but it’s still early days. Most FSX addons do already work with it however after some tweaking since its based on the same code.

#5 O_Taipan

Also you didn’t consider X-Plane 10.

But it’s only good if you run Nvidia and have a Quad or Hex core CPU.

#6 Chuck_Owl

#7 Lieste

Yes steer clear of Flight Pro.. bunch of scum, passing off a re-packing of an open source (and free) simulator as the ‘best’ on the market… and charging well over the odds for the privilege.

There are a few others – Aerofly FS is a newer version of a RC flight simulator upscaled to FullScale with cockpits – it looks attractive, but is limited to single season/fixed(ish) TOD by the terrain imagery in a similar way that Flight Unlimited was.

Prepar3D is a re-work of FSX, and addresses some of the limitations of the engine. It is however pricey # IIRC around $500 or $10 per month per license.

#8 Quax.

There is a student license now for 49. I guess that´s enough (added watermark seems to be the only restriction)

PS: the X-Plane 10 FMs are as bad as the build in planes of FSX. I tried the Piper Cup and the 737. Both were so ridiculous – i even ditched the CDs

#9 BADMUTHA

#10 O_Rod

Vitae elit Brevior

#11 BADMUTHA

I run FSX with FS Global Ultimate, ORBX and Real Extreme for weather. The Terrain is awesome with this combination I have lots of planes but I think my favourite is Legends DC3.
I’d’ also recommend FSUIPC to take over the duties of Controls, Switches and Axis’s.
It’s all not a cheap option and requires quite a bit of hardware to run but it’s nice
Cheers
Rod

Of course all of it can be had via less than moral means.

#12 neuro

Then again, MS got enough of our money, already.
I’m basically forced to use a shitty, unstable $300 OS because some 95% of game developers don’t even consider the possibility of porting their games to real OS’s (‘real OS’ = Unix-based), not to mention TrackIR only making drivers for Windows.

I can understand small companies like 777 going Windows-only because that’s pretty much the only platform for games and they have only so many resources, but the big guys of gaming have enough resources to make all the *nix versions they want, and Natural Point could make some *nix drivers in 2 hours… (*tin foil hat on*) sometimes I wonder if MS bribes gaming software and hardware companies to stay Windows-only (*tin foil hat off*)

AND YES, I KNOW: 1- it’s still illegal, 2- it’s a lame excuse, 3- I shouldn’t argue in favor of any illegal activities, and 4- i’m not really forced to buy Windows, I could give up on games or keep running XP for less than $100.

All those points are valid, and I do not encourage software piracy. What I’m trying to say is that IF I pirated FSX (which I don’t), I wouldn’t feel bad for MS.

On the other hand, buying/pirating FSX isn’t a real dilemma for me and it won’t be unless I need to train navigation for real flight. That’s the only use I can imagine for a ‘civilian’ flight sim.

Just flying GA’s (and even jet liners!) around as if they were UL’s isn’t only unrealistic, it’s also boring. I don’t plan to pick up real flight any time soon (long story), but at that point I guess if I spent a few thousands on flying lessons, I could throw in $100 for a legit flight sim, too…

#13 BADMUTHA

I don’t mean to say you should pirate it and that be it, but if you’re unsure you can always do that and try things out, try some of the payware addons and stuff. I’m sorry but 50$ for a scenery pack that isn’t even that good? I’m not paying for that without trying it first.

I bought into the hype behind FSX and got really excited to play it, but when I got it and tried some highly rated payware stuff it was not at all for me so I’m very glad I didn’t dump 100$ into the game without trying that stuff and if I did end up loving it I would have bough it, but I didn’t, so I uninstalled all of it.

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